Early Bird,

Please clarify where you would be posting your result and have the ability to let other know something is missing.

If you post to LBNA, you can indicate how many you found, but that does not show up for other users. Certainly there is no field for comments.

If you post to AQ, you can indicate which ones you found which is fine it is designed that way, but again no comment is posted. It is only sent to the owner.

You may have a website of your own where you keep track of things and that is great. Other boxers have some pretty terrific sites for this purpose but it is generally frowned upon to give away any information about the location of a box. Everything the owner wants people to know is in their clues. And remember just because you couldn't locate it doesn't mean it isn't there. It is quite possible you took a wrong turn or misinterpretted one of the clues.

You have done more than your part and that was notifying the owner of a potential problem. What the owner does with the information is up to them.

Good work!

Larry
Lundy and Vickster
North Shore, Massachusetts


-----Original Message-----
From: EarlyBird
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:34:27 -0000
Subject: [LbNA] Box Report Etiquette Question


I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the boxes
are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
what's the proper etiquette here? Should I post my results (not
giving away clues, but at least saying which boxes are missing) so
others are not frustrated, or leave it to the owner to update the
series' clues? Thanks.

- Early Bird, Vienna, VA



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I meant by posting here on the Yahoo group. I don't think this box
series is listed on AQ, and more important I'm not very used to AQ's
forums. As far as I can tell, there is no way to search the forums
there to see if anyone else has reported this - is there?

As for the report, I just meant that I would say something like "Box
2, 5, 7 are gone" and explain why we reached that conclusion. (Some
boxes are there, some we weren't sure of, and others were gone for
certain.)

- Kevin of EB

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, LundyandVickster@... wrote:
>
> Early Bird,
>
> Please clarify where you would be posting your result and have the
ability to let other know something is missing.
>
> If you post to LBNA, you can indicate how many you found, but that
does not show up for other users. Certainly there is no field for
comments.
>
> If you post to AQ, you can indicate which ones you found which is
fine it is designed that way, but again no comment is posted. It is
only sent to the owner.
>
> You may have a website of your own where you keep track of things
and that is great. Other boxers have some pretty terrific sites for
this purpose but it is generally frowned upon to give away any
information about the location of a box. Everything the owner wants
people to know is in their clues. And remember just because you
couldn't locate it doesn't mean it isn't there. It is quite possible
you took a wrong turn or misinterpretted one of the clues.
>
> You have done more than your part and that was notifying the owner
of a potential problem. What the owner does with the information is
up to them.
>
> Good work!
>
> Larry
> Lundy and Vickster
> North Shore, Massachusetts
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EarlyBird
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:34:27 -0000
> Subject: [LbNA] Box Report Etiquette Question
>
>
> I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the
boxes
> are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
> what's the proper etiquette here? Should I post my results (not
> giving away clues, but at least saying which boxes are missing) so
> others are not frustrated, or leave it to the owner to update the
> series' clues? Thanks.
>
> - Early Bird, Vienna, VA
>
>
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

If it were me writing my sitrep, I would post about the boxes I found and
make a brief note that I couldn't find certain boxes, but I surely wouldn't
report them missing. That's for the placer to do!

Quite honestly unless you have found those boxes before and know exactly
where they are supposed to be, they may be right where they belong, and you
were off-base in where you were looking. I can't tell you how many times
I've sworn I was looking in exactly the right place, only to find that when
I cleared what I KNEW was the right place out of my head, the real right
place was right under my nose! And I can't tell you how many times folks
who have looked for my boxes and written to say either the clues were wrong
or the box was gone, only to write again later to apologize because they had
gone back and rethought it and found the box easily...



On 6/9/06, EarlyBird wrote:
>
> I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the boxes
> are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
> what's the proper etiquette here? Should I post my results (not
> giving away clues, but at least saying which boxes are missing) so
> others are not frustrated, or leave it to the owner to update the
> series' clues? Thanks.
>
> - Early Bird, Vienna, VA
>
>
>



--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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Here's the URL for the Letterboxing Virginia board on AQ:
http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/messages.html?gBoardId=283
(I'm assuming the boxes are in Virginia.)

You can do a search of the forums to see if the boxes were mentioned. Go to the United States Letterboxing page: http://www.atlasquest.com/boards/category.html?gCatId=4
Scroll down to the bottom of the list of States and you'll see a search box.

JARS

EarlyBird wrote: I meant by posting here on the Yahoo group. I don't think this box
series is listed on AQ, and more important I'm not very used to AQ's
forums. As far as I can tell, there is no way to search the forums
there to see if anyone else has reported this - is there?

As for the report, I just meant that I would say something like "Box
2, 5, 7 are gone" and explain why we reached that conclusion. (Some
boxes are there, some we weren't sure of, and others were gone for
certain.)

- Kevin of EB

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, LundyandVickster@... wrote:
>
> Early Bird,
>
> Please clarify where you would be posting your result and have the
ability to let other know something is missing.
>
> If you post to LBNA, you can indicate how many you found, but that
does not show up for other users. Certainly there is no field for
comments.
>
> If you post to AQ, you can indicate which ones you found which is
fine it is designed that way, but again no comment is posted. It is
only sent to the owner.
>
> You may have a website of your own where you keep track of things
and that is great. Other boxers have some pretty terrific sites for
this purpose but it is generally frowned upon to give away any
information about the location of a box. Everything the owner wants
people to know is in their clues. And remember just because you
couldn't locate it doesn't mean it isn't there. It is quite possible
you took a wrong turn or misinterpretted one of the clues.
>
> You have done more than your part and that was notifying the owner
of a potential problem. What the owner does with the information is
up to them.
>
> Good work!
>
> Larry
> Lundy and Vickster
> North Shore, Massachusetts
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EarlyBird
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:34:27 -0000
> Subject: [LbNA] Box Report Etiquette Question
>
>
> I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the
boxes
> are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
> what's the proper etiquette here? Should I post my results (not
> giving away clues, but at least saying which boxes are missing) so
> others are not frustrated, or leave it to the owner to update the
> series' clues? Thanks.
>
> - Early Bird, Vienna, VA
>
>
>





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meant by posting here on the Yahoo group. I don't think this box
series is listed on AQ, and more important I'm not very used to AQ's
forums. As far as I can tell, there is no way to search the forums
there to see if anyone else has reported this - is there?

As for the report, I just meant that I would say something like "Box
2, 5, 7 are gone" and explain why we reached that conclusion. (Some
boxes are there, some we weren't sure of, and others were gone for
certain.)

- Kevin of EB

*****No matter where you post that would be publicly read, you really
shouldn't say the boxes are gone or missing. You can say you didn't find
them, because that is the only thing you can truly definitely attest to
being so.

Not being able to find them doesn't mean they are gone or missing. It may
mean that when you read "big tree" you were thinking of a tree bigger than
the placer, or smaller, and so weren't looking by the right "big tree". Or
your compass may have been reacting to your wristwatch and so wasn't giving
a true direction so that when you went where you thought was 40 degrees, you
really weren't 40 degrees. Or a tree the placer referred to in the clues
had been chopped down so you didn't turn left in the right place because the
landmark was gone. It could have easily been an innocent error on your part
that put you where you thought it should have been but wasn't, or it could
be that landmarks have changed and the placer needs to update the clues, or
it could be that the placer wrote stinky clues. So you see - there are a
lot of reasons you might not have found the boxes, but not all of them
necessarily means the boxes are gone or missing.

I had one box in particular that I was convinced was missing. I went and
looked and looked, probably for an hour. I had found a place that exactly
fit the description in the clues and my son and I doggedly searched. I
returned home and emailed the placer that the box was gone. As it happened,
she had just checked it the day before, so she knew it was there. I was
skeptical, because we had searched high and low, diligently followed the
clues and everything. And someone logged it the day after I tried.
Finally, after a few more folks found it with no problem, I went back for
it, and sure enough with fresh eyes and a fresh mind, I immediately found
the spot that even more perfectly matched the clues. I felt really silly!
I'm just glad I didn't report it missing on any of the talk lists or I
would've felt like a flat out fool.

As a rule of thumb, always only report publicly what you can absolutely know
to be true. And always, always try to avoid reporting a box "missing",
since that can potentially be a death sentence for a box - who wants to go
hunting what has been reported missing? And you can really only know they
are missing if you've found them before and they aren't where you had
previously found them...

That isn't to say I don't understand your frustration - thinking that other
folks will go try to find the same boxes you KNOW are gone is very
frustrating! I've got one or two in my area that fit that situation too!
--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"


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I too have had the problem of not being able to find the lbox. If you don't ask the owner if it is there or not. How are you going to know. I don't see what the problem is. I get very frustrated when I cannot find the box. I don't want to waste my time hunting and hunting for something that is not there.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barefoot Lucy
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Box Report Etiquette Question


If it were me writing my sitrep, I would post about the boxes I found and
make a brief note that I couldn't find certain boxes, but I surely wouldn't
report them missing. That's for the placer to do!

Quite honestly unless you have found those boxes before and know exactly
where they are supposed to be, they may be right where they belong, and you
were off-base in where you were looking. I can't tell you how many times
I've sworn I was looking in exactly the right place, only to find that when
I cleared what I KNEW was the right place out of my head, the real right
place was right under my nose! And I can't tell you how many times folks
who have looked for my boxes and written to say either the clues were wrong
or the box was gone, only to write again later to apologize because they had
gone back and rethought it and found the box easily...

On 6/9/06, EarlyBird wrote:
>
> I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the boxes
> are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
> what's the proper etiquette here? Should I post my results (not
> giving away clues, but at least saying which boxes are missing) so
> others are not frustrated, or leave it to the owner to update the
> series' clues? Thanks.
>
> - Early Bird, Vienna, VA
>
>
>

--
Barefoot Lucy
"It's not about footwear, it's about philosophy"

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Leave it to the placer to report whether they are missing or not. You
could report that you found some/did not find others but don't make
the determination that they are missing.

Recently one of my boxes was reported missing by two separate parties
who were certain they were in the right spot. After asking them a few
questions, I determined that they weren't and a friend hunted the box
down and found it right where it was supposed to be.

Knit Wit

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "EarlyBird" wrote:
>
> I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the
boxes
> are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
> what's the proper etiquette here?

When I cannot find the box I usually contact the placer and ask if it is there or missing. I have not posted the box is missing. I have had good responses from the placer. They don't seem to mind me asking. The placer has replied back letting me know if it is missing. So far only one was there. I went back for the third time and found the box. The placer has offered to give me help if I cannot find the box. I live in RI and have had so far fun finding the boxes. I become a monster when I cannot find the box. So any help I can get form the placer I will gladly take. I don realize you have rules for letterboxing. I think some of you could be a little nicer to each other. The tone in some of the e-mails I've read seam to be a little harsh.
Feeling sad in RI
----- Original Message -----
From: ncginger2000
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Box Report Etiquette Question


Leave it to the placer to report whether they are missing or not. You
could report that you found some/did not find others but don't make
the determination that they are missing.

Recently one of my boxes was reported missing by two separate parties
who were certain they were in the right spot. After asking them a few
questions, I determined that they weren't and a friend hunted the box
down and found it right where it was supposed to be.

Knit Wit

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "EarlyBird" wrote:
>
> I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the
boxes
> are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
> what's the proper etiquette here?





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OK I am new to this and I am hooked already. I have found about 20
stamps and want more!! bur is letterboxing.org the only website to
find the clues in Kentucky/Indiana/Ohio tristate area?




--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "EarlyBird" wrote:
>
> I meant by posting here on the Yahoo group. I don't think this box
> series is listed on AQ, and more important I'm not very used to AQ's
> forums. As far as I can tell, there is no way to search the forums
> there to see if anyone else has reported this - is there?
>
> As for the report, I just meant that I would say something like "Box
> 2, 5, 7 are gone" and explain why we reached that conclusion. (Some
> boxes are there, some we weren't sure of, and others were gone for
> certain.)
>
> - Kevin of EB
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, LundyandVickster@ wrote:
> >
> > Early Bird,
> >
> > Please clarify where you would be posting your result and have the
> ability to let other know something is missing.
> >
> > If you post to LBNA, you can indicate how many you found, but that
> does not show up for other users. Certainly there is no field for
> comments.
> >
> > If you post to AQ, you can indicate which ones you found which is
> fine it is designed that way, but again no comment is posted. It is
> only sent to the owner.
> >
> > You may have a website of your own where you keep track of things
> and that is great. Other boxers have some pretty terrific sites for
> this purpose but it is generally frowned upon to give away any
> information about the location of a box. Everything the owner wants
> people to know is in their clues. And remember just because you
> couldn't locate it doesn't mean it isn't there. It is quite possible
> you took a wrong turn or misinterpretted one of the clues.
> >
> > You have done more than your part and that was notifying the owner
> of a potential problem. What the owner does with the information is
> up to them.
> >
> > Good work!
> >
> > Larry
> > Lundy and Vickster
> > North Shore, Massachusetts
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EarlyBird
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:34:27 -0000
> > Subject: [LbNA] Box Report Etiquette Question
> >
> >
> > I just hunted down a ten box series in my area. About half the
> boxes
> > are missing, and I emailed the placer through the LbNA site. But
> > what's the proper etiquette here? Should I post my results (not
> > giving away clues, but at least saying which boxes are missing) so
> > others are not frustrated, or leave it to the owner to update the
> > series' clues? Thanks.
> >
> > - Early Bird, Vienna, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ______________________________________________________________________
> __
> > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures,
> email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I too have had the problem of not being able to find the lbox. If you don't
ask the owner if it is there or not. How are you going to know. I don't see
what the problem is. I get very frustrated when I cannot find the box. I
don't want to waste my time hunting and hunting for something that is not
there.

****The problem isn't in contacting the owner, the problem is in announcing
a box missing or gone in a public forum.


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-----Original Message-----
From: lkfennell
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:35:22 -0000
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Box Report Etiquette Question

>>> OK I am new to this and I am hooked already. I have found about
20
stamps and want more!! bur is letterboxing.org the only website to
find the clues in Kentucky/Indiana/Ohio tristate area?<<

There is also Atlas Quest, it has it's good points that are mainly in
an online logbook setup but I prefer LBNA since so few clues end up on
AQ. The ratio of their clues vs LBNA is very low, about 36 : 210 in my
case or in other words, out of 210 found, only 36 were listed on their
site. You have to pay to log 'unlisted' finds.

I cross post my plants in both areas with the much better clue page
being on LBNA. If you like lots of chat/postings then AQ may be for
you but it's not one of my things.

There should be several hundred boxes total in your region described,
many are older plants but may still be active although you can 'clean
out' certain areas very quickly.

Come on up to Central Ohio, we've left plenty for you to find and
likewise I'm headed down your way since 'fresh game' is running out for
me.

Pioneer Spirit.
Active since March '06
P27F210X12
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okay. Maybe I miss read the message that was sent out to another boxer.

----- Original Message -----
From: Barefoot Lucy
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Box Report Etiquette Question


I too have had the problem of not being able to find the lbox. If you don't
ask the owner if it is there or not. How are you going to know. I don't see
what the problem is. I get very frustrated when I cannot find the box. I
don't want to waste my time hunting and hunting for something that is not
there.

****The problem isn't in contacting the owner, the problem is in announcing
a box missing or gone in a public forum.

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thanks for the info. I am looking forward to more finds

RMORGAN762@aol.com wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: lkfennell
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:35:22 -0000
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Box Report Etiquette Question

>>> OK I am new to this and I am hooked already. I have found about
20
stamps and want more!! bur is letterboxing.org the only website to
find the clues in Kentucky/Indiana/Ohio tristate area?<<

There is also Atlas Quest, it has it's good points that are mainly in
an online logbook setup but I prefer LBNA since so few clues end up on
AQ. The ratio of their clues vs LBNA is very low, about 36 : 210 in my
case or in other words, out of 210 found, only 36 were listed on their
site. You have to pay to log 'unlisted' finds.

I cross post my plants in both areas with the much better clue page
being on LBNA. If you like lots of chat/postings then AQ may be for
you but it's not one of my things.

There should be several hundred boxes total in your region described,
many are older plants but may still be active although you can 'clean
out' certain areas very quickly.

Come on up to Central Ohio, we've left plenty for you to find and
likewise I'm headed down your way since 'fresh game' is running out for
me.

Pioneer Spirit.
Active since March '06
P27F210X12
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